Why I couldn't build Jev at OpenAI — Diogo Almeida, TypeSafe Co-founder & CEO

章节 1：Jev 发布周：AI 经济革命重回牌桌

📝 本节摘要：

开场中，Diogo Almeida 指出 AI 一边能攻克千禧年数学难题，一边却连最基础的重复性工作都没能自动化，原因在于缺少接入有经济价值工作的“插头”。他认为 Jev 已经改变了技术史的走向。swyx 念完订阅口播后，祝贺 TypeSafe 发布 Jev 并刷屏全网。Diogo 坦言身心俱疲，但觉得整个行业终于看到了 AI 推动经济革命的可能。他感谢开发者社区，说自己优先参加社区 town hall，而不是会见 VIP 投资人。两人还聊到 Discord 人数已达 10 万、推特粉丝暴涨等趣事，最后 swyx 抛出核心问题：Jev 到底是什么？

[原文] [Diogo Almeida]: Like, how can AI be so unbelievably smart? How can we, like, solve Millennium Prize problems in math but still not automate even the most basics of work, like really basic rote stuff? But we have this, like, supercharged engine of automation that just does not have, like, the right plugs and stuff to plug into all of this economically valuable work. And, you know, like, if the whole company of TypeSafe disappears, like, maybe it'll take like a year or two for people to, like, truly catch up. I actually don't know how long it'll take. If model quality matters, then we are going to be in a very good position for a long time, but

[译文] [Diogo Almeida]: 就是说，AI 怎么能聪明到这种难以置信的程度？我们怎么能一边解出数学上的千禧年大奖难题，一边却连最基础的工作都自动化不了，那种真的很基础、很机械的重复性活儿？我们手里有一台马力全开的自动化引擎，可它就是缺少合适的插头之类的东西，接不进这些真正有经济价值的工作里。而且你知道，就算 TypeSafe 整个公司明天消失了，别人可能也得花一两年才能真正追上来。其实我也说不准要多久。如果模型质量真的重要，那我们会在很长一段时间里处于非常有利的位置，但是

[原文] [Diogo Almeida]: it, like, it's done, right? Like, this has changed the path of, like, technological history.

[译文] [Diogo Almeida]: 这事已经成了，对吧？它已经改变了技术史的走向。

[原文] [swyx]: Before we get into today's episode, I just have a small message for listeners. Thank you. We would not be able to bring you the AI engineering, science, and entertainment content that you so clearly want if you didn't choose to also click in and tune into our content. We've been approached by sponsors on an almost daily basis. But fortunately, enough of you actually subscribe to us to keep all this sustainable without ads, and we want to keep it that way. But I just have one favor to ask all of you.

[译文] [swyx]: 在进入今天的节目之前，我想跟听众们说几句话：谢谢你们。如果不是你们主动点进来收听收看，我们就没法继续为大家带来你们显然很想看的 AI 工程、科学和娱乐内容。几乎每天都有赞助商来找我们。但幸运的是，订阅我们的人足够多，让我们不靠广告也能持续做下去，我们也希望一直保持这样。不过，我只想请大家帮一个忙。

[原文] [swyx]: The single most powerful, completely free thing you can do is to click that subscribe button. It's the only thing I'll ever ask of you. And it means absolutely everything to me and my team that work so hard to bring Latent Space to you each and every week. If you do it, I promise you we'll never stop working to make the show even better. Now, let's get into it. Okay, we're in the studio, a special occasion because this week Diogo, my good buddy, launched Jev, and it's been taking over the complete timeline. How do you feel? What's it like to be you right now?

[译文] [swyx]: 你能做的最有用、而且完全免费的一件事，就是点一下订阅按钮。这是我唯一会向你们提的请求。它对我和我的团队意义重大，我们每周都在拼命工作，把 Latent Space 带给大家。只要你点了订阅，我保证我们会一直努力，把节目做得更好。好，进入正题。我们现在在录音室，今天很特别，因为这周我的好哥们 Diogo 发布了 Jev，整个时间线都被它刷屏了。你感觉怎么样？现在当你是什么滋味？

[原文] [Diogo Almeida]: Emotionally, never been worse. Like, I'm a ragged corpse of a person right now, because there's so much going on, and I'm, like, a technical CEO, so I have, like, a lot of fires to fight. But, like, mentally, it's like, I feel, I say this all the time, and I've been saying this kind of for years in my over/under events, like, I feel like the entire AI field is like one of those, like, carnival house of mirrors, and everyone is just insane, and saying the weirdest stuff that doesn't make sense. And it feels like, for just this week, like, I'm a bit more in sync with reality, and like, oh, people see it now.

[译文] [Diogo Almeida]: 情绪上，从来没这么糟过。我现在就像一具破破烂烂的行尸走肉，事情实在太多了，而且我又是个技术型 CEO，要到处救火。但精神上，我一直这么说，这几年在我的 over/under 活动上也一直讲：我觉得整个 AI 圈就像游乐场里的哈哈镜屋，每个人都有点疯，说着各种莫名其妙、不合逻辑的话。而就这一周，我感觉自己和现实同步得更紧了一点，就是，哦，大家终于看明白了。

[原文] [Diogo Almeida]: AI can be so much more than what was once thought, and like, yes, we are going to make, like, an AI-based economic revolution is back on the table, and this is awesome, you know, this is awesome. I'm so jazzed the developers get it. It's, yeah. And I want to show my eternal gratitude to developers and

[译文] [Diogo Almeida]: AI 能做到的远远超出人们以前的想象。没错，一场由 AI 驱动的经济革命又重新回到了牌桌上，这太棒了，真的太棒了。开发者们能懂，我特别兴奋。是啊。我想向开发者们表达我永远的感激，还有

[原文] [Diogo Almeida]: I'm so jazzed about the community and everything. It's so great.

[译文] [Diogo Almeida]: 社区和这一切都让我特别兴奋，真的太好了。

[原文] [swyx]: Yeah. You were saying yesterday that you decided to prioritize the town hall and not a bunch of, like, you know, VIP investor-type people, because you wanted to make sure that they are the people that get your most attention, right? The engineers, the developers.

[译文] [swyx]: 是啊。你昨天说，你决定优先参加 town hall，而不是去见一堆 VIP 投资人之类的人，因为你想确保自己把最多的注意力放在他们身上，对吧？也就是工程师和开发者。

[原文] [Diogo Almeida]: Yeah. It felt a little like, oh man, I'm talking to, like, really important people right now. I probably shouldn't reveal who, but it feels a little bit dirty for me to, I'm, like, perhaps overly genuine in things. Like, it feels dirty if, like, in my gigantic calendar of things, of people to talk to, you know, the community isn't one of those. You know, and actually, in my ideal world, it would be, like, community all the time. I was thinking, should I host a town hall while walking to your studio? And I'm like, nah, that's too crazy.

[译文] [Diogo Almeida]: 对。那种感觉有点像，天哪，我现在在跟一些很重要的人谈话，具体是谁我大概不该透露。但我觉得这样有点不地道，我这人可能在很多事上都太较真了。我的日程表排得满满当当，全是要见的人，要是社区不在其中，我会觉得这样做不太干净。其实在我理想的世界里，我会一直泡在社区里。我刚才还在想，要不要边走去你录音室边开个 town hall？然后又想，算了，那也太疯狂了。

[原文] [swyx]: Sure.

[译文] [swyx]: 确实。

[原文] [Diogo Almeida]: Yeah.

[译文] [Diogo Almeida]: 是啊。

[原文] [swyx]: Well, you guys have been hosting town halls on the Discord. Discord is now 100,000 people. Your Twitter followers, these stats. So, holy—

[译文] [swyx]: 嗯，你们一直在 Discord 上开 town hall。现在 Discord 已经有 10 万人了。还有你的推特粉丝数，这些数据。真是，我的天——

[原文] [swyx]: Your Twitter's blown up. You know, it was really funny, 'cause, like, at AIE, you were like, "Follow me, please." And then you didn't, like, provide even your handle.

[译文] [swyx]: 你的推特火爆了。说起来挺好笑的，在 AIE 上你说“请关注我”，结果连自己的账号名都没给出来。

[原文] [Diogo Almeida]: I'm a noob. I'm a noob.

[译文] [Diogo Almeida]: 我是个菜鸟，我是个菜鸟。

[原文] [swyx]: But no, but, like, that's, like, positive aura, that, like, you don't know how to promote yourself.

[译文] [swyx]: 不不，这反倒是一种加分的气场，说明你不太会自我推销。

[原文] [Diogo Almeida]: Someone, like, called me out when I posted, like, "Holy— we're all three trending topics." And then they're like, "That's a personal feed."

[译文] [Diogo Almeida]: 我发了条推说“我的天，热门话题前三全是我们”，结果有人出来揭穿我，说：“那是你的个性化推荐流。”

[原文] [swyx]: Of course. Of course. To you. Yes. Because it's what you clicked on. So, okay, let's, yeah. So, congrats on everything. We'll talk about more details as you have them, but for people who are, like, living under a rock, or just want, like, the definitive thing: what is Jev?

[译文] [swyx]: 那当然，那当然，是推给你的嘛。对，因为都是你点过的东西。好，那我们开始吧。总之，恭喜你取得的一切成绩。更多细节等你有了我们再聊。不过对那些与世隔绝的人，或者只想听个权威说法的人来说：Jev 到底是什么？