Mark Zuckerberg's Vision For the Future!

章节 1：扎克伯格谈Muse：押注个人超级智能

📝 本节摘要：

扎克伯格同时押注元宇宙、智能眼镜和AI，认为三者正汇聚成新的超级智能。他介绍了Muse个人智能体，它源于自己在家搭建的OpenClaw。每个智能体配有安全虚拟机，上线约两周即有数百万用户。他认为具象形象让AI更友好，Muse角色第一版即最佳。主持人随后追问专注个人事务的模型该如何训练。

[原文] [Mark Zuckerberg]: This is going to be a thing that billions of people want to use.

[译文] [Mark Zuckerberg]: 这会是数十亿人都想用的东西。

[原文] [Jacklyn Dallas]: What does building things feel like to you? Is living forever a possibility? Okay, so if you take me into your head and we flash forward to, like, 2030, what does it look like? This is Mark Zuckerberg. 22 years ago, he built a social network that connected billions of people and changed the world forever. But now he's decided to build something even bigger. To do it, he's making massive bets on the metaverse, smart glasses, and AI. For years, skeptics saw these as three separate, impossible gambles, but they missed the bigger picture, because right now those bets are converging into creating an entirely new kind of superintelligence. So today we're going to show you that, and I'm going to ask Mark questions that he's never been asked before and hear his vision for the future, so you can get ahead of it and build the next big thing.

[译文] [Jacklyn Dallas]: 对你来说，做东西是什么感觉？长生不老有可能吗？好，如果你带我进入你的脑海，快进到 2030 年左右，那会是什么样子？这位是马克·扎克伯格。22 年前，他打造了一个连接数十亿人的社交网络，从此改变了世界。但现在，他决定去做一件更宏大的事。为此，他在元宇宙、智能眼镜和 AI 上下了巨额赌注。多年来，怀疑者把这些看作三场互不相干、不可能成功的豪赌，但他们忽略了全局：此时此刻，这些赌注正在汇聚，共同创造一种全新的超级智能。所以今天我们就带大家看看这一点。我会问马克一些他从没被问过的问题，听听他对未来的愿景，让你抢先一步，去打造下一个大事物。

[原文] [Jacklyn Dallas]: Thanks so much for coming on the show.

[译文] [Jacklyn Dallas]: 非常感谢你来上节目。

[原文] [Jacklyn Dallas]: Yeah, to have you.

[译文] [Jacklyn Dallas]: 是啊，能请到你。

[原文] [Mark Zuckerberg]: Yeah. No, I'm excited to do this.

[译文] [Mark Zuckerberg]: 嗯，我很期待这次对谈。

[原文] [Jacklyn Dallas]: To prepare for this one, I watched every interview that you've ever done.

[译文] [Jacklyn Dallas]: 为了准备这期节目，我把你做过的所有采访都看了一遍。

[原文] [Mark Zuckerberg]: Okay, that's more than I've ever done.

[译文] [Mark Zuckerberg]: 好吧，那比我自己看过的还多。

[原文] [Jacklyn Dallas]: It was a lot of fun. It was great. And, like, two major things stood out to me. Number one, your, like, love of building. I feel like you're just, like, one of the best builders. And then number two, your ability to take, like, massive bets.

[译文] [Jacklyn Dallas]: 看得很开心，特别棒。有两点让我印象最深。第一，你对做产品的热爱，我觉得你就是最顶尖的建造者之一。第二，你敢于下巨额赌注的魄力。

[原文] [Jacklyn Dallas]: And I think, like, this week is kind of the week that all of them are coming together.

[译文] [Jacklyn Dallas]: 而我觉得，这周差不多就是所有这些赌注汇聚到一起的一周。

[原文] [Jacklyn Dallas]: So, let's start there.

[译文] [Jacklyn Dallas]: 那我们就从这里开始吧。

[原文] [Mark Zuckerberg]: Yeah. Yeah. I guess we've been working on a lot of this stuff for a long time. I mean, the AI work, we've kind of been doing as a company almost since the beginning. I mean, the first version of Newsfeed from the beginning is sort of this machine learning product, and so, yeah, there's that version. And then the AI research lab we started, gosh, it's not quite 15 years ago. But then, you know, we're in a new version now, because a little more than a year ago we kicked off Meta Superintelligence Labs.

[译文] [Mark Zuckerberg]: 嗯，是的。这些东西我们其实已经做了很久了。AI 这块，公司几乎从一开始就在做。最早版本的 Newsfeed（动态消息）本身就算是一个机器学习产品，所以那算一个阶段。然后我们成立了 AI 研究实验室，天哪，差不多快 15 年前了。不过现在我们进入了一个新阶段，因为一年多前，我们启动了 Meta 超级智能实验室（Meta Superintelligence Labs）。

[原文] [Jacklyn Dallas]: Yep.

[译文] [Jacklyn Dallas]: 嗯。

[原文] [Mark Zuckerberg]: And it was a kind of wild reboot of the research to bring in a lot of great people from across the industry. But it's been exciting, because now, you know, we're seeing the models get better and better. We have the next generation launching soon, not at Connect.

[译文] [Mark Zuckerberg]: 那算是一次对研究的大刀阔斧的重启，从整个行业招揽了很多优秀人才。但这一路很令人兴奋，因为现在我们看到模型越来越好。下一代模型很快就会发布，不过不是在 Connect 大会上。

[原文] [Mark Zuckerberg]: But, and then we have, you know, the Muse personal agent, that is, you know, the reception so far has been great. You know, when

[译文] [Mark Zuckerberg]: 另外，我们还有 Muse 个人智能体，目前大家的反响非常好。你知道，当

[原文] [Mark Zuckerberg]: Yeah. I mean, when you're building this stuff, you don't quite know. I mean, we liked it.

[译文] [Mark Zuckerberg]: 是啊，做这类东西的时候，你其实心里没底。我是说，我们自己挺喜欢的。

[原文] [Jacklyn Dallas]: Yep.

[译文] [Jacklyn Dallas]: 嗯。

[原文] [Mark Zuckerberg]: You know, even from just earlier in the year, you know, just kind of duct-taping together my own version of OpenClaw at home and getting a sense of, like, how does this work, and what would make this a magical experience that you could give to anyone. Yeah. Basically, as soon as I saw that, you know, Nat and Alex and I sat down and we were like, okay, this is an amazing and magical experience, and if we can deliver a version of this that just works to people who are not necessarily technical enough to want to go install their own Mac Mini or get in a terminal and set it up or debug stuff when it's not working, then I think that this is going to be a thing that billions of

[译文] [Mark Zuckerberg]: 从今年早些时候开始，我就在家里东拼西凑，搭了一个自己版本的 OpenClaw，想弄明白它是怎么运作的，以及怎样才能把它变成一种可以交给任何人的神奇体验。基本上，我一看到效果，就和 Nat、Alex 坐下来商量，我们都觉得：这是一种惊艳而神奇的体验。如果我们能做出一个开箱即用的版本，交给那些技术上没那么在行、不想自己去装一台 Mac Mini、不想打开终端去配置、出问题也不想自己调试的人，那我觉得这会是数十亿

[原文] [Mark Zuckerberg]: people want to use. So we've basically been working on that over time since then. You know, getting the models to be tuned specifically for it, building not just the agent and the scaffolding, but effectively the technology to give every agent its own computer, right? We built this whole Muse secure VM, and, yeah, so we thought this was pretty special, and internally people have really liked it. But you never really know, when you ship something, how people are going to respond. And, you know, every once in a while it's a home run and people love it out of the gate, but most of the time, you know, you get some feedback that's positive, you have to iterate on a few things before they kind of really click. This one just really clicked right out of the

[译文] [Mark Zuckerberg]: 人都想用的东西。所以从那以后，我们基本上一直在做这件事：专门为它调优模型；不只是搭建智能体本身和配套框架，实际上还开发了让每个智能体都拥有自己一台电脑的技术，对吧？我们打造了一整套 Muse 安全虚拟机（Muse secure VM）。我们觉得这东西挺特别的，内部大家也都非常喜欢。但东西发布出去之前，你永远不知道大家会有什么反应。偶尔会一炮而红，一上线大家就爱上了；但大多数时候，你会收到一些正面反馈，然后还得迭代几轮，才能真正打动人。而这一次，从一

[原文] [Mark Zuckerberg]: gate. So it's been very exciting to see, and the fact that we're, like, what, like 2 weeks in and there's millions of people using it is

[译文] [Mark Zuckerberg]: 上线就真正打动了大家。所以看到这一切非常令人兴奋。我们才上线大概两周，就已经有数百万人在用了，这

[原文] [Mark Zuckerberg]: I don't know, this is pretty rare. I mean, every few years we get something like this, but this is definitely, you know, the fun part of building a company.

[译文] [Mark Zuckerberg]: 怎么说呢，这挺少见的。我们大概每隔几年才会碰上一次这样的情况，但这绝对是创办公司最有乐趣的部分。

[原文] [Jacklyn Dallas]: 100%. Yeah. I feel like your ability to, like, stay in the game and keep trying things is

[译文] [Jacklyn Dallas]: 百分之百同意。我觉得你能一直坚持、不断尝试新东西，这一点很

[原文] [Jacklyn Dallas]: admirable, and, like, also so many hits. It's great. And there was an interview that you did, I think it was like three years ago, with Joe Rogan, where at the end you were talking about how one day you'll, like, throw on the glasses and then an AI agent will come in as well. So I feel like it's so smart that Muse is already embodied, because that feels like that was going to happen.

[译文] [Jacklyn Dallas]: 令人钦佩，而且成功的作品也特别多，真的很棒。我记得你大概三年前上过乔·罗根（Joe Rogan）的节目，在采访的最后你说，将来有一天你戴上眼镜，AI 智能体也会随之出现。所以我觉得 Muse 现在就已经有了具象的形象，这一步真的很聪明，因为感觉这本来就是迟早会发生的事。

[原文] [Mark Zuckerberg]: Yeah. I think it also just makes it friendly and cute.

[译文] [Mark Zuckerberg]: 是的，我觉得这也让它显得友好又可爱。

[原文] [Jacklyn Dallas]: Yeah. Agree.

[译文] [Jacklyn Dallas]: 对，同意。

[原文] [Mark Zuckerberg]: So, part of this is, like, I think so many people talk about AI as if it's this, like, super scary thing.

[译文] [Mark Zuckerberg]: 部分原因在于，我觉得很多人谈起 AI，就好像它是个特别吓人的东西。

[原文] [Jacklyn Dallas]: Yeah.

[译文] [Jacklyn Dallas]: 是啊。

[原文] [Mark Zuckerberg]: And

[译文] [Mark Zuckerberg]: 而

[原文] [Mark Zuckerberg]: I don't know. I mean, I think it should just be useful and fun, and so I thought that that embodiment, one of the designers

[译文] [Mark Zuckerberg]: 我也说不好，我觉得它就应该是有用又有趣的。所以我认为，给它一个具象形象……我们有一位设计师

[原文] [Mark Zuckerberg]: Early on in the project, put together that character, and for whatever reason they kept on trying to iterate on it, but the first one was just the best. So at some point someone was like, "Oh, it's got to be blue because it's Meta." And it's like, "No, I think this guy is really... I think you nailed it on the first try." So yeah.

[译文] [Mark Zuckerberg]: 在项目早期就设计出了那个角色，不知道为什么，大家一直想在它基础上反复改，但其实第一版就是最好的。后来有人说：“哦，它得是蓝色的，因为这是 Meta 嘛。”我就说：“不用，我觉得这家伙真的……我觉得你们第一次就做对了。”就是这样。

[原文] [Jacklyn Dallas]: No, it's just fun. It was a good touch. How does it change how you train the model if you're trying to make it really good at personal stuff versus a general intelligence model?

[译文] [Jacklyn Dallas]: 不，这挺有意思的，是个很棒的细节。如果你想让模型特别擅长处理个人事务，而不是做一个通用智能模型，那在训练模型的方式上会有什么不同？