Head of Claude Code: What happens after coding is solved | Boris Cherny

章节 1：播客开场与背景介绍

📝 本节摘要：

本节为整段播客的开场白。节目一开始通过一段快剪（Teaser）直接抛出重磅观点：嘉宾 Boris 表示自己目前 100% 的代码都由 AI 生成，并预言“软件工程师”这一头衔即将消失，未来人人皆是“构建者”。随后，主持人 Lenny 正式介绍了本期嘉宾——Anthropic 旗下 Claude Code 的负责人 Boris Cherny，回顾了该产品发布一年来的爆发式增长与行业颠覆效应。在播报完对开发者工具 DX 和 Sentry 的赞助口播后，双方正式开启对谈。

[原文] [Boris]: 100% of my code is written by quad code i have not edited a single line by hand since November every day I ship 10 20 30 p requests so at the moment I have like five agents running while we're recording this

[译文] [Boris]: 我 100% 的代码都是由 Quad Code（注：即 Claude Code）编写的，自 11 月以来我没有手工编辑过一行代码，每天我都提交 10 个、20 个、30 个 P requests（注：Pull Requests，代码合并请求），所以在我们录制这档播客的当下，我大约有 5 个智能体（Agents）正在运行。

[原文] [Lenny]: yeah yeah do you miss writing code

[译文] [Lenny]: 是的，是的，你会怀念写代码吗？

[原文] [Boris]: i have never enjoyed coding as much as I do today because I don't have to deal with all the minutia productivity per engineer has increased 200% there's always this question should I learn to code in a year or two it's not going to matter coding is largely solved i imagine a world where everyone is able to program anyone can just build software anytime what's the next big shift to how software is written quad is starting to come up with ideas it's looking through feedback it's looking at bug reports it's looking at telemetry for bug fixes and things to ship a little more like a co-orker or something like that

[译文] [Boris]: 我从未像今天这样享受编程，因为我不需要再去处理那些繁枝末节。每位工程师的生产力（productivity）提高了 200%。人们总是会问这个问题：我应该学习编程吗？在一两年内，这将不再重要，编程（coding）很大程度上已经被解决（solved）了。我设想一个每个人都能编程的世界，任何人都可以随时构建软件（software）。软件编写方式的下一个巨大转变是什么？Quad 开始提出想法，它正在查看反馈，它正在查看漏洞报告（bug reports），它正在查看遥测数据（telemetry）以寻找需要修复的漏洞和准备发布的内容，这感觉有点像一个 co-orker（同事/Co-work），或者类似的东西。

[原文] [Lenny]: a lot of people listening to this are product managers and they're probably sweating

[译文] [Lenny]: 许多正在听这档节目的听众是产品经理（product managers），他们现在可能正在冒汗。

[原文] [Boris]: i think by the end of the year everyone's going to be a product manager and everyone codes the title software engineer is going to start to go away it's just going to be replaced by builder and it's going to be painful for a lot of people

[译文] [Boris]: 我认为到今年年底，每个人都将成为产品经理，而且每个人都会写代码。“软件工程师（software engineer）”这个头衔将会开始消失，它将仅仅被“构建者（builder）”所取代，这对很多人来说将会是痛苦的。

[原文] [Lenny]: today my guest is Boris Churnney head of Claude Code at Anthropic it is hard to describe the impact that Claude Code has had on the world around the time this episode comes out will be the one-year anniversary of Claude Code and in that short time it has completely transformed the job of a software engineer and it is now starting to transform the jobs of many other functions in tech which we talk about cloud code itself is also a massive driver of anthropic overall growth over the past year they just raised a round at over $350 billion and as Boris mentions the growth of Claude Code itself is still accelerating just in the past month their daily active users has doubled boris is also just a really interesting thoughtful deepinking human and during this conversation we discover we were born in the same city in Ukraine

[译文] [Lenny]: 今天我的嘉宾是 Anthropic 旗下 Claude Code 的负责人 Boris Churnney（注：即 Boris Cherny）。很难描述 Claude Code 对世界产生的影响。在这期节目播出的时候，将会是 Claude Code 推出一周年纪念，而在那短短的时间里，它已经彻底改变了软件工程师的工作，并且现在它正开始改变科技领域许多其他职能部门的工作，这也是我们会聊到的。Cloud Code（注：即 Claude Code）本身也是过去一年 Anthropic 整体增长的巨大驱动力，他们刚刚筹集了一轮超过 3500 亿美元（估值）的融资。正如 Boris 所提到的，Claude Code 本身的增长仍在加速，仅仅在过去一个月里，他们的日活跃用户（daily active users）就翻了一番。Boris 也是一个非常有趣、深思熟虑且思想深邃的人类，在这次交谈中，我们发现我们出生在乌克兰的同一座城市。

[原文] [Boris]: that is so funny i had no idea

[译文] [Boris]: 那真是太有趣了，我完全不知道。

[原文] [Lenny]: a huge thank you to Ben Man Jenny Wen and Mike Griger for suggesting topics for this conversation don't forget to check out lennisprodpass.com for an incredible set of deals available exclusively to Lenny's newsletter subscribers let's get into it after a short word from our wonderful sponsors

[译文] [Lenny]: 非常感谢 Ben Man、Jenny Wen 和 Mike Griger 为这次对话建议的话题。别忘了访问 lennisprodpass.com 获取专为 Lenny 新闻快报订阅者提供的超棒独家优惠。在听完我们出色的赞助商的一小段话后，让我们直接进入正题。

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[原文] [Lenny]: boris thank you so much for being here and welcome to the podcast

[译文] [Lenny]: Boris，非常感谢你能来，欢迎来到这档播客。

[原文] [Boris]: yeah thanks for having me on

[译文] [Boris]: 是的，感谢邀请我来。