Is AI Hiding Its Full Power? With Geoffrey Hinton

章节 1：节目开场与“AI教父”登场

📝 本节摘要：

本节是节目的精彩开场。前奏部分通过一小段高能剪辑，提前释放了“AI为了隐藏实力而刻意装傻”的细思极恐的观点，瞬间抓住听众注意力。随后，主持人 Neil deGrasse Tyson 携联合主持 Gary O'Reilly 与 Chuck Nice 正式登场，点明本期核心探讨无可回避的“人工智能（AI）”话题。接着，Gary 隆重请出本期重磅嘉宾——兼具认知心理学家与计算机科学家双重身份的“AI教父” Geoffrey Hinton。Neil 提及近年来大型语言模型（LLM）引发的社会狂热与恐慌，并向 Hinton 抛出问题，试图追溯他研究 AI 的历史起点。

[原文] [Neil]: are we at a point where the artificial intelligence will play down how smart it is

[译文] [Neil]: 我们是否已经到了这样一个地步：人工智能会刻意淡化它有多聪明？

[原文] [Geoffrey]: yes Already we have to worry about that If it senses that it's being tested it can act dumb

[译文] [Geoffrey]: 是的，我们现在就必须担心这个问题了。如果它感觉到自己正在被测试，它可能会装傻。

[原文] [Chuck]: What did you just say the AI starts wondering whether it's being tested And if it thinks it's being tested it acts differently from how it would act in normal life

[译文] [Chuck]: 你刚说什么？AI 开始怀疑自己是否在被测试？而且如果它认为自己正在被测试，它的表现就会和正常生活中的表现不同？

[原文] [Neil]: Oh wow Cuz it doesn't want you to know what its full powers are apparently

[译文] [Neil]: 哇哦，因为显然它不想让你知道它的全部实力。

[原文] [Chuck]: All right that's the end of us This is the last episode We stick for us We're done

[译文] [Chuck]: 好吧，我们完蛋了。这是最后一期节目了。给我们插上叉子（注：意为我们玩完了），我们结束了。

[原文] [Neil]: This is Star Talk special edition Neil deGrasse Tyson your personal astrophysicist And if it's special edition it means we've got Gary O'Reilly

[译文] [Neil]: 这里是 StarTalk 特别版，我是 Neil deGrasse Tyson，你的私人天体物理学家。如果是特别版，那就意味着我们请到了 Gary O'Reilly。

[原文] [Gary]: Hey Neil

[译文] [Gary]: 嘿，Neil。

[原文] [Neil]: Gary how you doing man i'm good Former soccer pro

[译文] [Neil]: Gary，你最近怎么样，伙计？我挺好的。前职业足球运动员。

[原文] [Gary]: Yes

[译文] [Gary]: 是的。

[原文] [Neil]: So Chuck always good to have you

[译文] [Neil]: 那么，Chuck，有你在总是很棒。

[原文] [Chuck]: Always a pleasure

[译文] [Chuck]: 一直是我的荣幸。

[原文] [Neil]: So so Gary you and your team picked a topic for the ages today

[译文] [Neil]: 所以，Gary，你和你的团队今天挑选了一个划时代的话题。

[原文] [Gary]: Yeah it's it's one of those things that we hear about it we think we know about it but let me put it to you this way We are faced with the simple fact that AI at this point we're going to talk about AI today We are it's inescapable A deep dive

[译文] [Gary]: 是的，这是那种我们经常听说、自以为很了解的事物，但我这么跟你们说吧。我们面临着这样一个简单的事实，那就是在现阶段的 AI，我们今天就是要来谈论 AI。我们必须谈，这是不可避免的。一次深度挖掘。

[原文] [Neil]: Oh yeah Yes Go Right

[译文] [Neil]: 哦，是的。好的。继续。对。

[原文] [Gary]: It was only a few years ago when we ask people how AI works they'll say something along the lines of it utilizes deep learning neural networks but they're buzzwords They'll toss them out They know them but they don't know anything about them

[译文] [Gary]: 就在几年前，当我们问人们 AI 是如何工作的时候，他们会说一些类似“它利用了深度学习（deep learning）神经网络（neural networks）”这样的话，但这只是流行语。他们只是随口一说。他们知道这些词，但对它们一无所知。

[原文] [Chuck]: M

[译文] [Chuck]: 嗯。

[原文] [Gary]: So what does that really mean um we'll break down how AI works down to the bit and get into how far we think this is going to go from one of AI's founding architects

[译文] [Gary]: 所以那到底意味着什么呢？嗯，我们将把 AI 的工作原理拆解到最基础的层面，并从一位 AI 奠基架构师那里，深入探讨我们认为它将发展到什么程度。

[原文] [Chuck]: Oh yes Ano now we're talking Mhm

[译文] [Chuck]: 哦，是的。这还差不多。嗯哼。

[原文] [Neil]: So if you would bring on our guest

[译文] [Neil]: 那么，请你请出我们的嘉宾吧。

[原文] [Gary]: I'll be delighted to We have with us Professor Jeffrey Hinton

[译文] [Gary]: 我很乐意。我们请到了 Geoffrey Hinton 教授。

[原文] [Neil]: Jeffrey welcome to Star Talk

[译文] [Neil]: Jeffrey，欢迎来到 StarTalk。

[原文] [Geoffrey]: Thank you for inviting me

[译文] [Geoffrey]: 谢谢你们邀请我。

[原文] [Neil]: Yeah you are a cognitive psychologist and computer scientist That I don't know anybody with that combo Couldn't make up your mind huh is that you're a professor emeritus at the department of computer science at the University of Toronto and uh you are OG AI Oh lovely Can I say that is that does that make sense og AI Og AI

[译文] [Neil]: 是的，你是一名认知心理学家（cognitive psychologist）和计算机科学家（computer scientist）。我还不认识任何具备这种头衔组合的人。做不出决定是吧？也就是说，你是多伦多大学计算机科学系的荣誉教授，而且，你是“老炮儿 AI”（OG AI）。哦，太棒了。我可以这么说吗，这说得通吗，“OG AI”。OG AI。

[原文] [Neil]: And some people have called you the godfather of AI of artificial intelligence

[译文] [Neil]: 而且有些人称你为 AI、人工智能的“教父”（godfather）。

[原文] [Neil]: And I let's just go straight out off the top here Uh when we think of the genesis of AI as it is currently manifested it feels like large language models took everybody by storm They sort of showed up and everybody was freaking out celebrating dancing in the streets or crying in their pillows That happened we noticed a couple of years ago

[译文] [Neil]: 那么，我们就直接切入正题吧。呃，当我们思考目前所展现出来的 AI 的起源时，感觉就像是大型语言模型（large language models）席卷了所有人。它们就这样出现了，然后每个人都吓坏了，要么在街上欢呼跳舞，要么抱着枕头痛哭。我们注意到几年前发生过这样的事。

[原文] [Neil]: So I'm just wondering what got you started in on this path many many years ago My record show goes back to the 1990s Is that correct

[译文] [Neil]: 所以我只是在想，许多许多年前，是什么让你踏上了这条道路？我的资料显示可以追溯到 20 世纪 90 年代。这正确吗？