Frontier Models & AI | Sam Altman, CEO & Co-Founder, OpenAI and Jeetu Patel.

📝 本节摘要：

本节对话以 Jeetu Patel 分享 Cisco 成为 Codex 设计合作伙伴为开端。Sam Altman 透露 Codex 是近期最大的 AI 更新，其能力已达到临界点（Threshold），这种变化将极大创造经济价值并改变 OpenAI 及其他公司的工作方式。Altman 认为这给他带来了如同初次见到 ChatGPT 般的震撼时刻。

[原文] [Jeetu Patel]: let me start with some good news i don't know if you know this but we are the first design partner for Codeex

[译文] [Jeetu Patel]: 让我先分享一些好消息，不知道你是否知情，但我们是 Codex 的首家设计合作伙伴。

[原文] [Sam Altman]: i did know that um and uh thank you and you know in the past few months I think we've hit an exponential curve um AI defense was a product that we launched over here last year in about two weeks or three weeks 100% of the code in AI defense will be written with codeex it that's unbelievable um I Codex has been my biggest update on AI in a while uh the the app that we launched yesterday it just pushed things over the edge for me of where it's I'm like "All right this is going to create an unbelievable amount of economic value extremely quickly this is going to change how all of OpenAI works and change how other companies work." Um it yeah the model's really hit some threshold and I think now the interface and harness has caught up and I think this is the first this you're talking about chatbt moments I think this is like the first time I felt another chat GPT moment for here her

[译文] [Sam Altman]: 我确实知道，嗯，谢谢。你知道，在过去的几个月里，我认为我们已经触及了一个指数级增长的曲线。AI Defense（注：指 Cisco 的安全产品）是我们去年在这里发布的产品，大约两三周内，AI Defense 中 100% 的代码都将由 Codex 编写，这简直令人难以置信。嗯，Codex 是我一段时间以来在 AI 方面见过的最大更新。昨天我们发布的那个应用程序，对我来说真的把事情推向了临界点，让我觉得：“好吧，这将极快地创造出难以置信的经济价值，这将改变 OpenAI 的整体工作方式，也将改变其他公司的工作方式。”嗯，是的，模型确实达到了某种阈值，而且我认为现在的界面和驾驭能力（harness）也已经跟上了。你说到“ChatGPT 时刻”，我认为这是我第一次在这里再次感受到那种“ChatGPT 时刻”。

章节 2：知识工作的未来：全权代理与计算机控制

📝 本节摘要：

Sam Altman 探讨了知识工作的未来形态，即从单纯的代码生成进化为“代码+通用计算机使用能力”。他分享了个人经历：最初抗拒给 AI 完全的电脑控制权，但仅坚持了两小时就因其巨大的实用性而妥协。他认为，让 AI 代理（Agent）像人类一样操作浏览器和文档，是知识工作转型的必然方向。

[原文] [Jeetu Patel]: e is a a clear clear glimpse of the future of knowledge work and how enterprises and individual people are going to use AI to work in a completely different way so what's the upper limit on this do you think

[译文] [Jeetu Patel]: [这]清晰地展示了知识工作的未来，以及企业和个人将如何以一种完全不同的方式使用 AI 进行工作。那么你认为这其中的上限在哪里？

[原文] [Sam Altman]: um I mean the upper limit I think is like full AI companies there's probably an upper limit beyond that the current one I can think about is full AI companies and that seems very powerful like this the idea that a coding model can create a full complex piece of software but also interact with the rest of the real world to build a company around it is a very big deal

[译文] [Sam Altman]: 嗯，我的意思是，我认为上限就像是“全 AI 公司”，在那之上可能还有上限，但我目前能想到的是全 AI 公司，这看起来非常强大。这种想法，即一个编程模型不仅能创建一个完整的复杂软件，还能与现实世界的其他部分互动，围绕它建立一家公司，这是一件非常了不起的事情。

[原文] [Jeetu Patel]: and then this this notion of what's happening right now I'm sure you're tracking this with Moldbook and um what happened with Cloudbot is it just a passing fad or do you think that there's something that we should take away from that on um

[译文] [Jeetu Patel]: 还有关于现在正在发生的事情的概念，我确信你在关注 Moldbook（注：音译），以及 Cloudbot（注：可能指 Claude 或相关机器人）发生的事，这只是一时的狂热，还是你认为我们应该从中吸取什么教训？

[原文] [Sam Altman]: No I I think it is definitely not a passing well mold book maybe i don't know but uh open claw is not um I I think this idea that code is really powerful but code plus generalized computer use is even much more powerful is here to stay

[译文] [Sam Altman]: 不，我认为这绝对不是一时...好吧，Moldbook 也许是，我不知道，但 Open Claw（注：原文如此，可能指 OpenAI 的 Operator 或类似技术）不是。我认为这个观点是：代码确实很强大，但代码加上通用的计算机使用能力要强大得多，而且这种趋势会持续下去。

[原文] [Sam Altman]: the fact I when I initially installed Codex I said I was never going to give Codex full control of my computer with without checking what it was doing and that lasted about like two hours because it was so useful and then I and then I kind of got persuaded by people that I really shouldn't have it running like that so now I have two laptops until I figure out how this is all going to work

[译文] [Sam Altman]: 事实上，当我最初安装 Codex 时，我说过我绝不会在不检查它在做什么的情况下给 Codex 我电脑的完全控制权。这大概持续了两个小时，因为它太有用了。然后...然后我被人们说服了，觉得真的不应该让它那样运行，所以现在我有两台笔记本电脑，直到我弄清楚这一切将如何运作。

[原文] [Sam Altman]: but giving an AI agent full use of your computer and your web browser with all your sessions leads to incredible stuff and that seems here to stay the the the idea that we can take a codeex style workflow and expand it to all knowledge work um so that whatever you're doing codecs can be or what some version of that can be using your computer and using the web for you and editing documents and whatever other kind of work you need um feels like a genuine transformation in how knowledge work will happen

[译文] [Sam Altman]: 但是，给一个 AI 代理（Agent）你电脑和网页浏览器的完全使用权，包括所有的会话，会带来不可思议的事情，这似乎会持续下去。这种想法，即我们可以采用 Codex 式的工作流并将其扩展到所有知识工作...这样无论你在做什么，Codex 或者某种版本的 Codex 都可以为你使用电脑、使用网络、编辑文档以及做任何你需要的工作...这感觉像是知识工作方式的一场真正的变革。

[原文] [Sam Altman]: and that I think OpenClaw did an incredible job of bringing many ideas together to make that feel usable and real and that seems certain to be part of our future

[译文] [Sam Altman]: 我认为 OpenClaw 在这方面做得令人难以置信，它将许多想法融合在一起，使其感觉可用且真实，这似乎肯定会成为我们未来的一部分。