44 Harsh Truths About The Game Of Life - Naval Ravikant (4K)

章节 01：幸福与成功的辩证关系

📝 本节摘要：

在本章中，Naval Ravikant 提出了一个核心悖论：幸福源于对现状的满足，而成功往往源于不满。他通过苏格拉底和第欧根尼的历史典故，阐述了“不想要”与“拥有”具有同等的自由度。他反驳了“痛苦是成功的必要条件”这一观点，认为通过减少内心的愤怒与情绪内耗，人可以在保持高效的同时获得内心的平静。最终，他指出赢得这场人生游戏的真正目的，是为了从游戏中解脱出来，不再受其束缚。

[原文] [Naval Ravikant]: happiness is being satisfied with what you have Success comes from dissatisfaction Is success worth it then oof I'm not sure that statement is true anymore Like I made that statement a long time ago and a lot of these things are just notes to myself and they're highly contextual They come in the moment they leave in the moment

[译文] [Naval Ravikant]: 幸福是对你所拥有的一切感到满足，而成功则源于不满。那么成功值得吗？呃，我不确定这句话是否还正确了。这是我很久以前说的，这些话很多只是我给自己的笔记，它们高度依赖于语境。它们随那一刻而来，也随那一刻而去。

[原文] [Naval Ravikant]: Happiness Okay So very complicated topic but I always like the Socrates story where he goes into the marketplace and they show him all these luxuries and fineries and he says how many things there are in this world that I do not want right and that's a form of freedom so not wanting something is as good as having it

[译文] [Naval Ravikant]: 幸福，好吧，这是一个非常复杂的话题。但我一直很喜欢苏格拉底的那个故事：他走进集市，人们向他展示各种奢侈品和华美的服饰，他说：“这个世界上有多少东西是我不想要的啊。”对吧？这是一种自由。所以，不想要某样东西，和拥有它一样好。

[原文] [Naval Ravikant]: in the old story with Alexander Dionius right Alexander goes out and conquers the world and he meets Dionius who's living in a barrel and Dionius says get out of the way you're blocking my son and Alexander says oh how I wish I you know could be like Dionius the next life and Dionis says that's the difference I don't wish that I could sorry Dioynes Dioynes says I I I don't wish to be Alexander

[译文] [Naval Ravikant]: 在亚历山大帝和第欧根尼的老故事里，对吧，亚历山大征服了世界，遇到了住在木桶里的第欧根尼。第欧根尼说：“走开，你挡住了我的阳光。”亚历山大说：“噢，我多么希望下辈子能像第欧根尼一样。”而第欧根尼说：“这就是区别。我不希望我是亚历山大。”

[原文] [Naval Ravikant]: so two paths to happiness and uh one path is success you get what you want you satisfy your material needs or like Dioynes you just don't want in the first place and I'm not sure which one is more valid um and it also depends what you define as success if the end goal is happiness then why not cut to the chase and just go straight for uh does being happy make you less successful that is a conventional wisdom That may even be the practical earned experience of your reality You find that when you're happy you don't want anything So you don't get up and do anything

[译文] [Naval Ravikant]: 所以通往幸福有两条路。一条路是成功：你得到了你想要的，满足了你的物质需求；或者像第欧根尼一样，你从一开始就不想要。我不确定哪一条更有效，这也取决于你如何定义成功。如果最终目标是幸福，那为什么不直奔主题呢？幸福会让你变得不那么成功吗？这是一种传统智慧，甚至可能是你现实中获得的实践经验。你会发现当你快乐时，你什么都不想要，所以你不会起床去做任何事。

[原文] [Naval Ravikant]: On the other hand you know you still got to do something You're an animal You're here You're here to survive You're here to replicate You're driven You're motivated You're going to do something You're not just going to sit there all day Unlikely Some people do Maybe it's in their nature But I think most people still want to act they want to live in the arena

[译文] [Naval Ravikant]: 另一方面，你知道你还是得做点什么。你是动物，你在这里是为了生存，为了繁衍。你有驱动力，你有动力，你会去做点什么。你不可能整天坐在那里。不太可能。有些人会这样做，也许这是他们的天性。但我认为大多数人还是想行动，想活在竞技场中。

[原文] [Naval Ravikant]: Uh I found for myself as I've become uh happier is a big word but you know more peaceful more calm more present more uh satisfied with what I have uh I still want to do things I just want to do bigger things I want to do things that are more pure more aligned with uh what I think needs to be done and what I can uniquely do So in that sense I think that being happier can actually make you more successful but your definition of success will likely change along the way

[译文] [Naval Ravikant]: 呃，我发现对我自己而言，随着我变得——“更幸福”这个词有点大——你知道，更平和、更冷静、更活在当下、更满足于我所拥有的，我仍然想做事情。我只是想做更大的事情。我想做更纯粹的事情，更符合我认为需要做的事情，以及我能独特地做到的事情。所以从这个意义上说，我认为更幸福实际上能让你更成功，但你对成功的定义可能会在这个过程中发生改变。

[原文] [Chris Williamson]: Is that a realization you think you could have gotten to had you have not had some success in the first place at least for me I always wanted to take the path of material success first I was not going to go be an aesthetic and sit there and renounce everything That just seems too unrealistic and too painful Uh in the story of Buddha he starts out as a prince and then he sees that it's all kind of meaningless because you're still going to get old and die and then he goes into the woods looking for something more I'll take the happy route that involves material success Thank you I think it's quicker in some ways

[译文] [Chris Williamson]: 你认为如果你当初没有取得一些成功，你能有这样的领悟吗？至少对我来说，我总是想先走物质成功的道路。我不打算去当苦行僧（aesthetic，此处口误应为ascetic），坐在那里放弃一切。这看起来太不现实也太痛苦了。在佛陀的故事里，他一开始是个王子，然后他看到这一切都有点毫无意义，因为你还是会变老死去，于是他走进森林寻找更多的东西。我会选择包含物质成功的幸福之路，谢谢。我觉得这在某些方面更快。

[原文] [Naval Ravikant]: You know one of your uh insights is it's far easier to achieve our material desires than it is to renounce them And uh it depends on the person but I I think you have to try that path If you want something go get it Uh you know like I I I quipped that the reason to win the game is to be free of it So you you play the games you win the games and then you get hopefully you get bored of the games You don't want to just keep looping on the same game over and over Although a lot of these games are very enticing and have many levels and are relatively open-ended Uh and then you become free of the game uh in a sense that you're no longer trying to win it You know you can win it Uh and either you move to a different game or you play the game for the sheer joy of it

[译文] [Naval Ravikant]: 你知道，你的一个洞见是：实现我们的物质欲望远比放弃它们要容易得多。呃，这因人而异，但我认为你必须尝试那条路。如果你想要什么，就去争取。你知道，就像我打趣说的，赢得游戏的理由是为了从游戏中解脱出来。所以你玩游戏，你赢了游戏，然后希望你对游戏感到厌倦。你不想一直在同一个游戏里循环往复。虽然很多游戏都很诱人，有很多关卡，而且相对开放。然后你从游戏中解脱出来，在这个意义上，你不再试图去赢它。你知道你能赢。你要么换一个不同的游戏，要么纯粹为了乐趣而玩这个游戏。

[原文] [Chris Williamson]: Yeah You another one of yours most of the gains in life come from suffering in the short term so you can get paid in the long term I think that's classic Winning the marshmallow test on a daily basis But uh there's an interesting challenge where I think people need to avoid becoming uh a suffering addict Sort of using suffering as the proxy for progress as opposed to the outcome of the suffering Right it's like I was in pain not eating the marshmallow I was in pain doing this work I have attached well-being and satisfaction to pain not to what the pain gets me on the other side of it

[译文] [Chris Williamson]: 是的。你的另一个观点是：人生中的大部分收获来自于短期的痛苦，这样你才能在长期获得回报。我觉得那是经典的每天都在赢得棉花糖实验。但是，有一个有趣的挑战，我认为人们需要避免成为“痛苦成瘾者”。某种程度上把痛苦当作进步的代理指标，而不是痛苦带来的结果。对吧，就像我不吃棉花糖很痛苦，我做这项工作很痛苦，我把幸福感和满足感与痛苦联系在了一起，而不是痛苦带来的另一端的结果。

[原文] [Naval Ravikant]: If you define pain as physical pain then it's a real thing It happens and you can't ignore it But that's not what we mean by suffering Suffering is mostly mental anguish and mental pain And it just means you don't want to do the task at hand Uh if you were fine doing the task at hand then you wouldn't be suffering And then the question is what's more effective to suffer along the way or just to interpret it in a way that it's not suffering

[译文] [Naval Ravikant]: 如果你把痛苦定义为身体上的疼痛，那是真实存在的。它发生了，你无法忽视。但那不是我们要说的“受苦”。受苦主要是精神上的折磨和精神上的痛苦。它仅仅意味着你不想做手头的任务。如果你做手头的任务感觉良好，你就不会感到受苦。那么问题来了，哪种方式更有效？是一路受苦，还是通过某种解读方式让它不再是受苦？

[原文] [Chris Williamson]: you hear from a lot of successful people they look back and they say oh the journey was the fun part right that was actually the entertaining part and I should have enjoyed it more It's a common regret Uh there's a little thought exercise I like to do which is you can go back into your own life and uh try to put yourself in the exact position you were in 5 years ago 10 years ago 15 years ago 20 years ago And you try to remember okay who was I with what was I doing what was I feeling what were my emotions what were my objectives and really really try to transport yourself back and see if there's any advice you'd give yourself Anything you do differently Now you don't have new information And don't pretend you could have gone back and you know bought a stock or bought bought Bitcoin or whatever but just knowing what you know now in terms of your temperament and a little bit of age related experience how would you have done things differently and I think it's a worthwhile exercise to do So don't let me rob you of the conclusion but I'll tell you for me uh I would have done everything the same except I would have done it with less anger less emotion less internal suffering because that was optional It wasn't necessary And I would argue that someone who can do the job uh at least peacefully but maybe happily is going to be more effective than someone who has unnecessary emotional turmoil

[译文] [Chris Williamson]: 你听到很多成功人士回首往事时说，噢，旅程才是最有趣的部分，对吧，那其实是娱乐的部分，我应该更享受它的。这是一种常见的遗憾。我喜欢做一个小小的思维练习，就是你可以回到你自己的生活中，试着把自己置于5年前、10年前、15年前、20年前的确切位置。试着回忆，好吧，我和谁在一起？我在做什么？我感觉如何？我的情绪怎样？我的目标是什么？真正尝试把自己传送回去，看看你会给自己什么建议。你会做些什么不同的事情吗？现在你并没有新的信息。别假装你可以回去买股票或者买比特币什么的。仅仅基于你现在对心性的了解和一点点年龄带来的经验，你会如何以不同的方式做事？我认为这是一个值得做的练习。别让我剥夺你得出结论的机会，但我告诉你，对我来说，呃，我会做同样的事情，除了我会带着更少的愤怒、更少的情绪、更少的内心煎熬去做，因为那些是可以选择的。那不是必须的。我认为一个能至少平和地，甚至快乐地完成工作的人，会比那些有着不必要情绪动荡的人更有效率。

[原文] [Naval Ravikant]: Well you end up with a series of miserable successes right the outcome may have been the same but the entire experience of getting there and and the journey is not only the reward The journey is the only thing there is You know even success it's human nature to bank it very very quickly right because the normal loop that we run through is you sit around you're bored then you want something then when you want something you decide you're not going to be happy until you get that thing Then you start your bout of suffering or anticipation while you strive to get that thing If you get that thing then you get used to it and then you get bored again Then a few months later you want something else And if you don't get it then you're unhappy for a bit and then you get over it and then you want something else Right that's the normal cycle So whether you're happy or unhappy at the end it tends not to last

[译文] [Naval Ravikant]: 嗯，你最终会得到一连串悲惨的成功，对吧？结果可能是一样的，但到达那里的整个体验……旅程不仅仅是回报，旅程是唯一存在的东西。你知道，即使是成功，人类的天性也会很快将其习以为常（bank it），对吧？因为我们要经历的正常循环是：你坐着，你感到无聊，然后你想要某样东西。当你想要某样东西时，你决定直到得到那样东西你才会快乐。然后你开始你的受苦或期待，当你努力去争取那样东西时。如果你得到了那样东西，你会习惯它，然后再次感到无聊。几个月后，你又想要别的东西了。如果你没得到它，你会不开心一阵子，然后你会克服它，接着想要别的东西。对吧，这就是正常的循环。所以无论你最后是快乐还是不快乐，往往都不会持久。

[原文] [Naval Ravikant]: Now I don't want to be glib and say that oh there's no point in making money or being successful There absolutely is Money solves all your money problems So it is good to have money Um that said there are those uh those stories I I don't know if you've seen those studies I don't know how real these are A lot of these psych studies don't replicate but it's a fun fun little study that shows that uh people who break their back and people who win the lottery are back to their baseline happiness two years later Yep Again I don't know if that's entirely true I think money can buy you happiness if you earned it because then along the way you have both pride and confidence in yourself and you have a sense of accomplishment and you you know set out to do something and you were right So I I'll bet that lingers and then as I said money solves your money problem So I don't want to be too glib about it but I would say in general this this loop that we run through um of desire dopamine fulfillment unfulfillment like you you have to enjoy the journey The journey is all there is right 99% of your time is spent on the journey

[译文] [Naval Ravikant]: 现在，我不想油嘴滑舌地说，噢，赚钱或成功没有任何意义。绝对有意义。钱能解决你所有关于钱的问题。所以有钱是好的。即便如此，有些故事……我不知道你是否看过那些研究，我不知道这些有多真实。很多心理学研究都无法复现，但这是一个有趣的小研究，表明那些摔断背的人和中了彩票的人，两年后都回到了他们的基准幸福水平。是的。同样，我不知道这是否完全正确。我认为如果你是凭本事赚来的钱，它能买来幸福。因为在这个过程中，你对自己既有自豪感又有信心，你有成就感，你知道你着手做某事并且你做成了。所以我敢打赌那种感觉会持续下去。而且正如我所说，钱能解决你关于钱的问题。所以我不想说得太轻巧，但我会说总的来说，我们要经历的这个循环——欲望、多巴胺、满足、不满足——你必须享受这段旅程。旅程就是一切，对吧？你99%的时间都花在旅程上。

[原文] [Naval Ravikant]: So what kind of a journey is it if you're not going to enjoy it how do you shortcut that desire contract you could focus you could decide that I don't want most things I think we have a lot of unnecessary desires that we just pick up everywhere We have opinions on everything judgments and everything Uh so I think just knowing that those are the source of unhappiness uh will make you be choosy about your desires And frankly if you want to be successful you have to be choosy about your desires You have to focus You can't be great at everything You can't be great at everything You're just going to waste your energy and waste your time

[译文] [Naval Ravikant]: 所以如果你不打算享受它，那算什么旅程呢？你如何缩短那个“欲望契约”？你可以专注，你可以决定我不想要大部分东西。我认为我们有很多不必要的欲望，我们在各处随意拾起。我们对每件事都有意见，对每件事都有评判。所以我想，仅仅知道这些是不快乐的源泉，就会让你对你的欲望变得挑剔。坦率地说，如果你想成功，你必须对你的欲望挑剔。你必须专注。你不可能在每件事上都很棒。你不可能样样精通。你只会浪费你的精力，浪费你的时间。